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[m.oreilly]

i'm not seeing any usage of "ired"...

[brewin]

m.oreilly, on Jul 17 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

i'm not seeing any usage of "ired"...

Eniparadoxgma ired M.Oreilly by claiming that the word ire can be used as a verb.


bred

[m.oreilly]

brewin, on Jul 17 2008, 05:23 PM, said:

Eniparadoxgma ired M.Oreilly by claiming that the word ire can be used as a verb.


bred

um, show me an example from some reference text. to ire, yes, as the ire is in oneself, as bile is, but you don't bile someone. you bring out the ire in someone, as you would bring out the bile in someone. to stir, to ire...

http://www.merriam-w...dictionary/ired

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Main Entry:
ire Listen to the pronunciation of ire
Pronunciation:
\ˈī(-ə)r\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin ira; perhaps akin to Greek oistros gadfly, frenzy
Date:
14th century

: intense and usually openly displayed anger
synonyms see anger
— ire transitive verb
— ire·ful Listen to the pronunciation of ireful \-fəl\ adjective

[eniparadoxgma]

Hmm...

Well, while I haven't seen ire used as such, the definition of transitive verb seems to me to mean that it can be.

http://en.wikipedia....Transitive_verb

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In syntax, a transitive verb is a verb that requires both a subject and one or more objects. Some examples of sentences with transitive verbs:

* Harry sees Adam. (Adam is the direct object of "sees")
* You lifted the bag. (bag is the direct object of "lifted")
* I punished you. (you is the direct object of "punished")
* I give you the book. (book is the direct object of "give" and "you" is the non-prepositional indirect object of "give")

Those transitive verbs that are able to take both a direct object and an indirect object are called ditransitive; an example is the verb give above. Verbs that require a single object are called monotransitive. There are a few verbs that may be called "tritransitive".[1]

Where are the English majors when we need 'em?

Edited by eniparadoxgma, 18 July 2008 - 11:49 PM.

[m.oreilly]

even though the examples you gave were more transitively verbish than ire, one does not go about "iring" people*, as they would be "seeing" or "punishing" or "giving" or "lifting" said peeps (ire is not a force one can unleash on another, it is one's own innate threshold of tolerance or lack thereof, that constitutes ire), the wiki thing here lumps it in with a bunch of other stuff, so it is mentioned in a wiki page as a form of ire...

*you can raise the people's ire (think dander), heck you can even lift the level of people's ire, you can see the ire in their glaring eyes, and you can suffer mental anguish (legally recognized in california only) from the punishing expressions of your lovely wife's ire, for commenting on how cute her girlfriend's butt is...

[eniparadoxgma]

Perhaps I'm missing your point, MO.

Even if that exact usage isn't given in an example, what else would it mean to be a transitive verb if not to be used as such? Are you saying the dictionary.com site is wrong or? I personally have never used or seen it used as such, but what other way can it be a transitive verb?

I guess I'm just not following your point unless you're just saying that it can't be a transitive verb and thus the dictionary.com site and the wiki page you provided are wrong.

[m.oreilly]

just from the examples you mentioned, they are verbish. ire, though rage and anger are mentioned in as it's meaning (you can anger someone, but... raging them?). you are making an assumption based on "seeing" and "lifting" and "punishing" and "giving" (verbs) in their own right: "a transitive verb is a verb...". ire is a noun, which somehow is now a verb, and a transitive one at that? yeah, were them englesh majers anyways?



heck, i need a beer, you guys are iring me too much...

[banj0]

brewin, on Jul 17 2008, 04:41 PM, said:

Nope, it's an acronym.
What about suffixes?

-ized

Judges?

Prefixes and suffixes are questionable imho. It looks like everyone is ok with 'em though so i'm onboard.

eniparadoxgma, on Jul 17 2008, 05:48 PM, said:

ired?

http://www.merriam-w.../dictionary/ire says it can be a transitive verb...

Just a shot in the dark, eh.

Although I've never heard that word used in that way, I think the link does carry a lot of weight. But MO has every right to challenge.

I put a post up at EnglishForums.com asking for their opinions. Any problems with anybody if we let the experts decide this one?

[m.oreilly]

please, someone do something!!!

[eniparadoxgma]

Haha, I'm with the experts deciding it.

As I said, I've never heard it used that way either but I assumed the ol'dictionary.com to be on the ball. That's probably just me takin the interwebz at their wordz tho.

Downt ya bee goinz and gittin me all ired up now, ya hear?

[m.oreilly]

ireonic, sorta...

[brewin]

OK, no prefixes or suffixes.


bled

[banj0]

brew, we haven't determined yet whether or not 'ired' should count.

On the englishforums.com, we have 1 reply for and 1 against so far. I think we gotta wait until a majority opinion forms over there.

[brewin]

What are the chances that another forum had the exact same argument just last month? Pretty good apparently.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/..._ires_big_unit/

Also...
http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/w...ds-l&P=1005

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c1420 Pallad. on Husb. II. 361 Her brethron & her owne kynde hit ireth [L. irritat].

My googling skills are unmatched.

[m.oreilly]

well, heck...

(it's banjer's fault :innocent: )