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[banj0]

Full disclosure---I am an avid hunter/fisherman. It's hard enough defending the outdoor sports sometimes because of the stupid 5% that give us hunters/fishermen a bad name but this stuff is just ridiculous. And I know these fish are a sub-species of the Asian Carp that are threatening to ruin the great lakes. But good god, stick a net out and make some food or something. I'm sure there are soup-kitchens that could use some processed meat. Not to mention the safety issue. Any one of those arrows would kill a person instantly. This is almost too insane to watch....

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What these guys have done is rig motors to vibrate which cause these fish to jump. Now, the Asian Carp will decimate the ecosystem of the great lakes unless preventative steps are taken and I'm all for doing what we can to eradicate them, especially because I spend a large portion of my life on the Lakes. But this strikes me as particularly cruel, terribly unsafe, and downright stupid. Am I missing something?

[eniparadoxgma]

Nope. Just another example of the idiocy of the common man.

YaYz0rz!

Misanthropes unite!

[chriso_86]

I don't think it's that dumb really. They are tied to a rope, so it's not like the arrow can just go forever, and they aren't shooting way up in the air. I'd say you have a much much much much much great chance of hitting a boat and getting killed them getting hit by one of those arrows.

And you can't eat those fish, they are bad. They are in the Illinois river and we can't hardly water ski anymore cause you get hit by them. We almost had to take my friend to the hospital because of getting hit by one when he was trying to ski.

[David_Heavey]

For the record, I hate any kind of cruelty to animals. I believe no animal should ever have to suffer. Even for a second. The guys in this video are doing that for "fun". Complete and utter disgrace. I'd love to get them jumping on a trampoline while I fire arrows attached to rope at them. But I can't. Why? Because I'd go to jail for doing it. It would almost be worth going down for though. I really hated that video. I didn't watch more then 15 seconds of it. Made me sick to my stomach.

[chriso_86]

So, I take it you disagree with hunting and stuff then Dave? Cause most people find the killing of deer and bird fun, the food is just a somewhat of a added benefit.

[brewin]

It's different and they do indeed look like morons, but I don't know why it's any worse than duck hunting with decoys. Really, all hunting/fishing/trapping involves tricking an animal and then killing it. Some methods are dumber than others.

[hog]

brewin, on May 30 2007, 05:42 PM, said:

It's different and they do indeed look like morons, but I don't know why it's any worse than duck hunting with decoys. Really, all hunting/fishing/trapping involves tricking an animal and then killing it. Some methods are dumber than others.

I think brewin did the best summary of it. I've never hunted but I have many uncles who do and also my father has teached me the pleasures of fishing. I think they are both very pleasant activities (I don't like to refer to fishing as a sport...), but this is simply not fishing nor hunting. All the fun of the waiting and the struggling is gone. Nothing is left of fishing other than the fact that they catch fishes... As chriso said, the safety issue is not a big deal. IMO a hunting rifle is way more dangerous than a bow, as piercing as the arrow may be.

I don't know about the situation with those fishes and the Great Lakes or anything, but anyway... These are just dumb guys trying a dumb way of fishing. For the cruelty thing, I think fishing and hunting (regular way, not those guys' way) is, yes, enjoyable, but also all of the meat from the animal and the fish are used (I'm talking about intelligent hunters who bring their catch to a good butcher). In pork or beef industries, animals are treated like s|-|it, killed in a (I believe) painful and cruel way, they just take what they need and scrap the rest. On the opposite, I believe a good hunter or fisherman i one who tries to kill his catch the fastest and less painful way possible. There is a big deal of respect for the animal here. Once caught, the deer is taken to a butcher where, like I previously said, every piece is used, bones, meat, fat, etc. Hunting is not simply a "sport", the animal/fish you catch is a reward, like a medal you win after a good race. You have worked hard in order to gain it, so you cherish it.

Those morons/fishers/hunters/cavemen don't work for what they get and they have no respect for the animal, so I believe they cannot be counted as real good hunters/fishers.

Well, this is what I think of it, sorry for the big text

[chriso_86]

Ah, perfect response. My feelings exactly!!!

[eniparadoxgma]

hog, on May 30 2007, 07:02 PM, said:

Those morons/fishers/hunters/cavemen don't work for what they get and they have no respect for the animal, so I believe they cannot be counted as real good hunters/fishers.

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[banj0]

I understand what you guys are saying about the safety issue (bow vs. gun). I prolly should've explained my feeling more.

No matter what is being hunted with a bow, the hunter never, ever, ever draws until he/she is ready to fire the arrow. This isn't my opinion, it is the most basic tenet of bow-hunting safety. These guys are drawn before the fish even jumps. Do you remember seeing a few Silvers jump into the boats and knock guys in the shoulder or head? Some of these fish run 100+ lbs! So imagine drawing a compound bow from a moving boat, trying to hit a moving target, and having a 50-100lb weight tossed at your head. Plus, bows don't come with safeties.

hog, on May 30 2007, 07:02 PM, said:

Those morons/fishers/hunters/cavemen don't work for what they get and they have no respect for the animal, so I believe they cannot be counted as real good hunters/fishers.

My thoughts exactly.

[brewin]

banj0, on May 30 2007, 11:16 PM, said:

I understand what you guys are saying about the safety issue (bow vs. gun). I prolly should've explained my feeling more.

No matter what is being hunted with a bow, the hunter never, ever, ever draws until he/she is ready to fire the arrow. This isn't my opinion, it is the most basic tenet of bow-hunting safety. These guys are drawn before the fish even jumps. Do you remember seeing a few Silvers jump into the boats and knock guys in the shoulder or head? Some of these fish run 100+ lbs! So imagine drawing a compound bow from a moving boat, trying to hit a moving target, and having a 50-100lb weight tossed at your head. Plus, bows don't come with safeties.

It'd be worthy of a Darwin Award for sure.

[David_Heavey]

chriso_86, on May 30 2007, 10:12 PM, said:

So, I take it you disagree with hunting and stuff then Dave?

Yes I do.