tntoak, on Nov 12 2005, 06:50 PM, said:
God doesn't make societies and their laws. When the US was created, the majority of the founding fathers were Deists - they believed in a higher power, but not necessarily the Christian image of "God". That's why the Declaration of Independence refers to a "Creator", a general term for a higher power, instead of a specific reference such as "God" or "Jesus". The foundations for the formation of the US weren't rooted in religious doctrine, as you already have numerous religious groups here in the colonies when the Declaration and later the Constitution were created - by the men present in those meetings. In fact, the founding fathers created the 1st Amendment in direct response to the religious persecution people of many faith systems faced before they left for the colonies and a new life.
You have also contradicted yourself with your statements. You say that God creates societies, then you say that "Those tribes don't know they are sinning.". If God created that society AND its laws, wouldn't they know that by default? You make a blanket statement, then jettison out a bunch of contradictory examples by pleading ignorance on their part.
(I should point out that I debated in college, so a lot of this is being argued because it's fun, not because I necessarily agree with the positions. I just like to see how well developed people's views are)
If God made the society he is choosing not to do anything. Many of the voodoo practces and such is where God allows satan to control them instead. God makes societies, adn the reason why they are not being punished is because he is choosing in his will not to do anything. Those people don't know him, that's why we have missionaries and such. They don't know better.
BlueScreenOfDeath, on Nov 12 2005, 11:41 PM, said:
If we take god out of the picture, take society and our 'laws' out then we got survivalism. Then Killing for our own survival isnt wrong . If its survival of the fittest and best then it could be right, and then we have no morality.
i think in a way we "learn" what is wrong and right from society and what they consider right and wrong behavior. Any deviation from that social Norm then its either abnormal or socially not acceptable.
Edited by RedInferno, 14 November 2005 - 01:55 AM.